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		<title>By: peregrinus</title>
		<link>http://peregrinus.stblogs.com/2009/06/23/where-to-set-up-a-distributist-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>peregrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan

I am a computer programmer, I see something techie and I post on it.  It is in my nature.  I also just finished a 11.5 hour work day so I am a little, no a lot, tired but I need to wind down before I hit the sack.

This entry is actually a response to a recent thread I started over on the Distributism forum over on Yahoo groups on whether the US would be the best place to implement a distributist model.  I agree Mexico (at lease the northern part) would not be an good place.  That is why I prefaced &quot;south of the border&quot; with &quot;way&quot;.  

I have been looking at countries in Central and South America to move to.  One that was of interest, since the confraternity I belong to is run by a religious order with their seminary there, was Brazil.  However, recent events has lowered the desirability of there.</description>
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<p>I am a computer programmer, I see something techie and I post on it.  It is in my nature.  I also just finished a 11.5 hour work day so I am a little, no a lot, tired but I need to wind down before I hit the sack.</p>
<p>This entry is actually a response to a recent thread I started over on the Distributism forum over on Yahoo groups on whether the US would be the best place to implement a distributist model.  I agree Mexico (at lease the northern part) would not be an good place.  That is why I prefaced &#8220;south of the border&#8221; with &#8220;way&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I have been looking at countries in Central and South America to move to.  One that was of interest, since the confraternity I belong to is run by a religious order with their seminary there, was Brazil.  However, recent events has lowered the desirability of there.
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		<title>By: Jan Baker</title>
		<link>http://peregrinus.stblogs.com/2009/06/23/where-to-set-up-a-distributist-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Pere, it seems to me that Quadragesimo Anno, regarding Catholic moral and social teaching, is not talking about those being adhered to by a &#039;distributist society&#039; existing within a state, but about that state itself. Of course your society would not practice abortion--the question is about the state you are looking for. And not only abortion, but birth control and divorce.  And Mexico ain&#039;t it.  There are other South American countries which are presently resisting abortion, but I don&#039;t know how they score on divorce or birth control. (To my knowledge, the only country left that officially prohibits birth control is the Philippenes.) 

If Mexico is your best option, over at the Yahoo group, why don&#039;t you just stay here in the US, being as how Mexico is, ethically speaking, now just about identical to what you criticize here? There were plenty of hippie communes in the sixties that ask nothing of the state but tolerance of their lifestyles. Did the Yahoo group investigate the price of land in Mexico? It&#039;s ridiculously high! Credit is high, too--like, 32% on most credit cards. And do you guys already speak Spanish? Do you know how hard that is? What points did the group actually think made Mexico attractive? 

I came here to your site to tell you that the writing called Please Don&#039;t Ask isn&#039;t actually about security questions, and it took me long moments gazing at the comment you left to realize you apparently took those questions as the point. That was just an intro, a way to get into, and exit from, an essay that criticizes Vatican II. Did you see the criticism? Did you get what the last teacher, Scholastica, was actually teaching? Leave another comment!  Glad you have a bank credit union, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=f61994429dcbf41d0c06952898202f93&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Well, Pere, it seems to me that Quadragesimo Anno, regarding Catholic moral and social teaching, is not talking about those being adhered to by a &#8216;distributist society&#8217; existing within a state, but about that state itself. Of course your society would not practice abortion&#8211;the question is about the state you are looking for. And not only abortion, but birth control and divorce.  And Mexico ain&#8217;t it.  There are other South American countries which are presently resisting abortion, but I don&#8217;t know how they score on divorce or birth control. (To my knowledge, the only country left that officially prohibits birth control is the Philippenes.) </p>
<p>If Mexico is your best option, over at the Yahoo group, why don&#8217;t you just stay here in the US, being as how Mexico is, ethically speaking, now just about identical to what you criticize here? There were plenty of hippie communes in the sixties that ask nothing of the state but tolerance of their lifestyles. Did the Yahoo group investigate the price of land in Mexico? It&#8217;s ridiculously high! Credit is high, too&#8211;like, 32% on most credit cards. And do you guys already speak Spanish? Do you know how hard that is? What points did the group actually think made Mexico attractive? </p>
<p>I came here to your site to tell you that the writing called Please Don&#8217;t Ask isn&#8217;t actually about security questions, and it took me long moments gazing at the comment you left to realize you apparently took those questions as the point. That was just an intro, a way to get into, and exit from, an essay that criticizes Vatican II. Did you see the criticism? Did you get what the last teacher, Scholastica, was actually teaching? Leave another comment!  Glad you have a bank credit union, though!
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		<title>By: peregrinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>peregrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan:

We have talked about Mexico over on the Yahoo Distributist group and, yes, there are pluses and minuses for Mexico.

One thing we do hold over there, for the most part, is that any Distributist Society must adhere to Catholic Moral and Social Teaching.  In fact, it developed from the papal encyclicals Rerum Novaru and Quadragesimo Anno.  A bunch of us are waiting for Pope Benedicts new encyclical which is suppose to come out Monday.</description>
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<p>We have talked about Mexico over on the Yahoo Distributist group and, yes, there are pluses and minuses for Mexico.</p>
<p>One thing we do hold over there, for the most part, is that any Distributist Society must adhere to Catholic Moral and Social Teaching.  In fact, it developed from the papal encyclicals Rerum Novaru and Quadragesimo Anno.  A bunch of us are waiting for Pope Benedicts new encyclical which is suppose to come out Monday.
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		<title>By: Jan Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must not a distributist society have a platform of respect for life, at least? I have been wondering about this for a long time. That is, are there minimum conditions to qualify a society, if one had the choice? Consider that one grants a kind of power to the government if there is cooperation--and cooperation might be needed, and offered. Some distributist proposals depend on government support through initial phases, through both help in organization and startup money, much as stimulus funds are being used now. There have been calls for a worker buy-out of the big three auto companies, and I heard there has been one for health care, but I gave up researching it because there is no way that this particular government could be trusted with any kind of power and most especially in health care!

I just moved back to the states from Mexico, after living there for four years. I did not live in a retirement enclave, one of the many ghettos for retired North American; I lived among the people, went to mass in Spanish, among the poorest people, had two surgeries in a normal Mexican hospital through their public health care system, and thus saw quite a lot that you will not find on any of the websites marketing Mexico as a retirement or escape destination (such as MexConnect). You could ask me questions, provided that  you have more qualifications for a potentially distributist-friendly environment than &#039;hostility&#039;. I don&#039;t pretend to understand the Mexican government, but they are considerably more left-of-center than our own present one, and abortion has just been legalized in many Mexican states. The rest are barely holding on. Until you have met the modern Mexican materialist family, your version of Mexico is based on the values and lifestyle of fifty years ago. It still exists, in tourist re-enactments (the priest in a tiny village in the Green Mountains where I attended mass every day for a year told his little flock to please pray the rosary before mass, the tourists liked it).  Easy money, through dope and illegal immigration, is destroying Mexico.  The ordinary Mexican person is being taught to blame you and me for the host of ills facing them. And wait until you experience the Mexican church, the Mexican liturgy! I suggest you go to my site and read Another Eve for a snapshot based on experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=f61994429dcbf41d0c06952898202f93&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Must not a distributist society have a platform of respect for life, at least? I have been wondering about this for a long time. That is, are there minimum conditions to qualify a society, if one had the choice? Consider that one grants a kind of power to the government if there is cooperation&#8211;and cooperation might be needed, and offered. Some distributist proposals depend on government support through initial phases, through both help in organization and startup money, much as stimulus funds are being used now. There have been calls for a worker buy-out of the big three auto companies, and I heard there has been one for health care, but I gave up researching it because there is no way that this particular government could be trusted with any kind of power and most especially in health care!</p>
<p>I just moved back to the states from Mexico, after living there for four years. I did not live in a retirement enclave, one of the many ghettos for retired North American; I lived among the people, went to mass in Spanish, among the poorest people, had two surgeries in a normal Mexican hospital through their public health care system, and thus saw quite a lot that you will not find on any of the websites marketing Mexico as a retirement or escape destination (such as MexConnect). You could ask me questions, provided that  you have more qualifications for a potentially distributist-friendly environment than &#8216;hostility&#8217;. I don&#8217;t pretend to understand the Mexican government, but they are considerably more left-of-center than our own present one, and abortion has just been legalized in many Mexican states. The rest are barely holding on. Until you have met the modern Mexican materialist family, your version of Mexico is based on the values and lifestyle of fifty years ago. It still exists, in tourist re-enactments (the priest in a tiny village in the Green Mountains where I attended mass every day for a year told his little flock to please pray the rosary before mass, the tourists liked it).  Easy money, through dope and illegal immigration, is destroying Mexico.  The ordinary Mexican person is being taught to blame you and me for the host of ills facing them. And wait until you experience the Mexican church, the Mexican liturgy! I suggest you go to my site and read Another Eve for a snapshot based on experience.
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